The Beginning - Ellen Evans Payne/Pain

So, I came across the Slave Narrative...I have been trying to cipher through what was given by her. That is the beauty of it all. I will be breaking down everything that may be of meaning as far as research goes to figure things out. All I know as of now is that she is my maternal Great Grandmother.

“Ellen Payne, 88,” – The narrative was release in 2011, I have not found a death certificate or index for her. Later in the narrative she mentioned that her husband and children were no longer living. Who the informant would have been I am not sure and if they knew anything about her. Informants as we all know give just what they know of the person.

David Payne/Pain's Mother, my Grandfather

Searches are:

Ell*, Ellen Evans, Ellen Pain, Ellen Payne, Ellen Lewis (she mention was her Father’s name, not sure if a slave name and if it changed), Ell* spouse Nelson, Ell* spouse Nelson Pain/Payne, Ell* spouse N Pain/Payne, Ellen spouse Nelson Pain/Payne, Ellen spouse N Pain/Payne, Ellen black child David Pain/Payne, E Pain/Payne, E Evans Pain/Payne slave black spouse Nelson Pain/Payne and all search in Marshall, Texas where she state she was born

“was born a slave of Dr. Evans, pioneer physician of Marshall, Texas, and father-in-law of former Governor Clark.” – I searched slave records using the above searches and was unsuccessful. I also searched for “Dr. Evan’s plantation” and the only thing that came up was a book called “Grass Roots Reconstruction in Texas 1865 – 1880”, by Randolph B. Campbell. I also searched “a list of Marshall, Texas plantations” and was not successful. I suppose that would be a good question to the ask the National Archive center or the Marshall, Texas Public Library.

“She married Nelson Payne when she was twenty-five,” – The 1880 Census shows that she was 28 years of age (1852) and married to Nelson Pain/Payne.

“and they farmed in Marshall for fifty-two years. Since Nelson's death eleven years ago, Ellen has operated the farm herself and has always made a crop. She lives alone on the Port Caddo Road.” – I cannot find a death certificate for either of them.

"My name is Ellen Payne now, but in slave times it was Ellen Evans, and I was born on the old Mauldin place right here at Marshall and belonged to old Dr. Evans. Dr. Evans loans the Bible what had all our ages in it and never got it back, so when he freed us they guessed our ages.” – I tried researching the beginning of the slave narrative project to get kind of get an idea of what age she was. The narrative was released in 2011, she was 88 when they interviewed her. I could take the year minus the 88 years of age, only if I had any idea. This would probably give more clues of her birth. Speaking of birth I emailed the Washington D.C. National Archives Center  requesting assistance for finding her birthdate.

 

“My mistress say I was 'bout sixteen years old when surrender come,” – So, I used the 1880 Census and subtracted 16 years of age and got 1848. I used the above searches and 1848 and was still unsuccessful in finding her birthdate.
“and my daddy and mammy was Isom and Becky Lewis. Mammy come from Tennessee and they was seventeen of us chillen.”  - I did find a “voter’s registration” for "Isom" in Marshall, Texas. Unfortunately, it does not specify the race. Using name variations and dates of birth, I was not successful in finding a census. On a more extended Slave narrative I find that she listed some of her siblings: Caroline, Henry, Calvert, Frances, Alfred, Allen, Lucy, Easter, Mattie, Katie, Adeline and Josephine. I tried searching for sibling and the mother (Becky/Rebecca) to locate and a census and was unsuccessful in doing so. 17 siblings, this makes for a huge family. God knows I would have love to have met each and everyone of them. Because of His Graces and Will, I am able to at research and find as much as possible for my children.

Reminder of the narrative:

"Master Evans lived in a big brick house on the north side of Marshall and run his farm four miles from town, and I stayed on the farm, but come in town some with my mammy to work for Mistress Nancy. The niggers on other farms had to sleep on 'Damn-it-to Hell' beds, but we didn't have that kind. We had good wood beds and hay mattresses with lowell covers. I mostly minded the calves and chickens and turkeys. Master Evans had a overseer but he didn't 'low him to cut and slash his niggers and we didn't have no hard taskmaster. They was 'bout thirty slaves on the farm, but I is the only one livin' now. I loved all my white folks and they was sweet to us. The hands worked from sun to sun and had a task at night. Some spinned or made baskets or chair bottoms or knit socks. Some the young'uns courted and some jest rambled round most all night. On Saturday was the prayer meetin' in one house and a dance in another. On Sunday some went to church and visitin', but not far, 'cause that was in patterroller times.” They was allus plenty to eat and one nigger didn't do nothin' but raise gardens. They hunted coon and possum and rabbits with dogs and the white folks kilt deer and big game like that. My daddy allus had some money, 'cause he made baskets and chair bottoms and sold them, and Master Evans give every slave a patch to work and they could sell it and keep the money. We didn't know nothin' but what went on at the place. Us slaves didn't carry news 'cause they wasn't none to carry and if the white folks want to send news anywhere, they put a boy on a mule to take it. Master Evans had a old woman what tended to us when we was sick, and he give us quinine and calomel and castor oil and boneset tea. That tea was 'nough to kill a mule, but it done us good. Some wore esfidity bags round they necks to keep off sickness. My young mistress married Master Clark and they lived close, and my mammy and me used to spent part the time workin' for her. Master Clark got to be governor 'bout time war started and moved to Austin. I still got the Bible he give me. I 'member the white southern men folks run off to the bottoms to git 'way from war, but I never seed nothin' of the war. When we was freed my old master calls us up and say, 'You is free, and I'm mighty glad, but I'm mighty sad.' We stays on till Christmas, then mammy and me leaves and hires out. I stays workin' with her till I'm twenty-five and then I marries Nelson Payne. My young mistress sends me a blue worsted dress to marry in, and we's married at mammy's house and she give us a nice supper. He was a farmer and we kep' on livin' on the farm fifty-two years, till he died. We loved farm life. I raised four boys but none of them is livin' now. When Nelson died first one then 'nother holps me and I has made a crop every year till now. I'm too old now, but I still raises some corn and peas and garden stuff. They gives me a $15.00 month pension, but I likes to be doin' somethin'. I still shouts at meetin's. I don't have nothin' to do with it. It hits me jes' like a streak of lightning, and there ain't no holdin' it. I goes now to camp meetin's clost to Karnack and tries to 'have, but when I gits the spirit, I jest can't hold that shoutin' back. The young folks makes fun of me, but I don't mind. Style am crowded all the grace out of 'ligion, today."

 

Bernard Wilson - Permer Bernard Payne - Clue#6

 

Okay!

 

I received a letter from the Department of Veteran Affairs Dallas -Fort Worth National Cemetery and the only information available was the location of his gravesite. I thought it was pretty cool that they sent the link to view the location of his gravesite. I attached the links of all military branches to my page tabs. Anywhoo, It is a step closer. I love it!

 

I definitely have to make plans to visit.  I would love to have pictures for my family tree scrapbook.

 

 

Response Letter

 

 

 

 

Once I open the link I learned that you can send request to the Branch in which the person you are researching served. I wrote a request to the Army in hopes of getting more information about "Permer". As I mentioned I just have to continue researching his un-given name for now. 

 

Letter to the Army

 

National Personnel Records Center
1 Archives Drive
St. Louis, Missouri 63138

My name is Jacqueline. I am currently doing my family tree. Unfortunately, I was adopted and I am not aware of any existing family members. I do know that Permer Bernard Payne raised me for a short, short spell until he left the home. According to ancestry.com, he is my biological (B. Lewis) Mother’s brother and she for as I know is deceased as of 2013. I am looking for any records or pictures that can be released to the general public. I attempted contacting his wife Dorothy Robinson Payne and she too is deceased. If you could please assist me with my search it would greatly appreciated. 

 

Attached is information that I gathered from ancestry.com and that I received from the Dallas – Fort Worth National Cemetery.

 

Again, thank you.

 

Jacqueline



Bernard Wilson - Permer Bernard Payne - Clue#5

 

As I mentioned before, I am waiting on an answer from the Marshall Library regarding when Bernard Wilson changed his name to Permer Bernard Payne (the name he lived and passed away using). I am kind of at a died end until I hear back from either resource (National Dallas Cemetery and Marshall Public Library). It is unfortunate that the U.S. Census listed on ancestry.com does not goes pass 1940. For now I just have to continue researching his un-given name.

 

I did find his military entry and exit on ancestry.com. He entered in as "Bernard Payne". I am curious as to where the name "Permer" came in.

 

Army

 

 

Interesting, he was known to me as my biological Mother's (Brenda/el Lewis) brother. He practically raised me when he was married to Irma Simpson. The two of them never legally adopted me but I have been with Irma since birth. He was in and out of the home until he married Dorothy Robinson Payne. I remember bits and pieces of him taking me to Marshall, Texas and Longview, Texas from time to time in the summer months for very short visits. There was a relative in Marshall, Texas that I remember calling "Aunt Virgie". I can remember being confused about rather to call him "Uncle Blue" as the rest of the children or "Daddy". Kids will be kids, they all teased me in good faith. Those were certainly the good ole'days!

 

 



Bernard Wilson - Permer Bernard Payne - Clue#4

...a picture not clear but certainly appreciated. yes!

 

 

August 2003 when he became ill. Permer Bernard Payne, married Irma Simpson. I was cared for by the both of them for a period of time. When the two of them divorced he married Dorothy Robinson Payne. I remained in the home with Irma.



Exploring the holdings of Marshall, Texas - Public Library - Unidentified persons and places...

Holdings of Marshall, Texas

 

 

Noted in the "Portal to Texas History".

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Bernard Wilson - Permer Bernard Payne - Clue#3

In search of Permer Bernard Payne/Bernard Wilson - I post the search for him, I just decided to write the National Cemetery where he was buried. Perhaps the can give me a clearer lead, though he was registered as "Permer Bernard Payne". I can only learn more about the un-given name from the National Cemetery. Perhaps some unknown children will be listed, a picture,  military entry/exit date, et cetera. (crossing my fingers)

I am also trying to figure out why and how he changed his birth name "Bernard Wilson".

 

Letter:

National Cemetery – Dallas County

2000 Mountain Creek Parkway

Dallas, Texas 75211

 

My name is Jacqueline of Fort Worth, Texas and I am researching my family tree. As far as I know Permer Bernard Payne was my biological Mother’s brother (B. Lewis), both children of M. Payne of Marshall, Harrison, Texas. He was born Bernard Wilson according to ancestry.com (1940 Census). Seems between being born and me knowing him as “Uncle Permer” (Bernard Payne) he does not exist. I am looking for any of his army career information, pictures and ANY other thing that is legal for anyone to fill me in on. I do know that he was last married to Dorothy Robinson Payne of Fort Worth, Texas. I attempted tracking her down to ask questions but unfortunately she passed on in 2009. He died August 2003 and was buried there in your cemetery, again according to acestry.com.

 

If you all could please assist me with my search it would be greatly, greatly appreciated.

 

Thank you all sincerely,

 

 

Jacqueline

Consider illegitimacy...

Consider illegitimacy...

 

Illegitimate children were given their mother's surname until 1926, when they could be re-registered with the father's name if the parents married after the birth. Seems in this case my Great, Great Grandmother Nellie Montague Womack had a child before marrying John Womack. I don't find any Census regarding another marriage or resident for Nellie Montague Womack, but W.B. Smith's parents on his death certificate is John Womack and Nellie Montague.

 



Hannah/Hanah Womack Hubbard Hillard Booker

 

Hanah/Hannah Womack Hubbard (Hillard)/Booker

 The daughter of John Womack, she appeared to be the oldest child by

Nellie Montague Womack.

 

1880

 

Hannah Womack

age 8

b. 1872

Birthplace - Texas

Precinct 3, Harrison, Texas

Father - John Womack, Georgia

Mother - Nellie Montague Womack, Texas

(Nellie would have been 15 years of age)

 

 

1900

 

Hanah Womack

age 24

b. 1886

Birthplace - Texas

Precinct 3, Harrison, Texas

Father - John Womack, Mississippi

Mother - Nellie Montague Womack, Mississippi

(Nellie would have been 31 years of age)

 

Though the 1910 Census recorded her name as Hillard/Hubbard, I can not find anything other then the Census. I searched for City Directories, the informant on her death certificate to see if it may have been her husband, to see if she had any children, et cetera. On the 1910 Census

(age 38), it shows that she resided with her sister, my Grandmother Maggie Womack Payne.

 

 

I did find a picture of her as a servant.

 

 

 

Hannah resided with her sister, Octavia at the time of her death (1940 Census).

 

 

In search of John Womack.

 

 

 

In search of John Womack - Clue#7 - his wife Nellie

Nellie Montague Womack – Timeline

I am searching for John Womack, in order to do that I had to break down his in-home family members to understand him more. Census shows that John Womack, my Great, Great Grandfather married Nellie Montague in 1871. You have to be careful not to miss the reference. It is very easy to overlook a name, especially if you have been searching for a long time. Researching Nellie Montague Womack tells me that John Womack was married in 1871. I found a 1860 slave schedule with him on it at the age of 5 years of age, Texas (Slave owner, John F. Womack) which means he should have been b. about 1854. John Womack died in 1924. I am still waiting to hear from the Marshall, Texas Public Library. I figure the delay is because of the holidays.

1871, marriage - 1860, slave schedule = 17 years of age.

 

Nellie Montague Womack, Father – Frank Montague/Mother – Hannah ?
,information gathered according to Nellie's death certificate

1880 Census – 1856 (24) (John 1845 at the age of 35)

The census shows that she was b. in Texas and that she was a Housekeeper.

Father – Mississippi

Mother – Mississippi

Married to John Womack, recorded 1871 at 15 years of age

Hannah – 1872 Father – Georgia Mother – Texas, had her at 16 years of age

Levi – 1875 Father – Georgia Mother – Texas, had him at 19 years of age

Henry – 1878 Father- Georgia Mother – Texas, had him at 22 years of age

James – 1879 Father – Georgia Mother – Texas, had him at 23 years of age

 

Note - "all persons will be included in the Enumeration who were living on the 1st day of June 1880 (Census completed June 14th, 1880). Children born since June 1st, 1880 will be omitted. Family members who have died since June 1st, 1880 will be included."



 

1900 Census – 1845 (55) (John 1835 at the age of 65)

Father – Georgia

Mother – Georgia

Married to John Womack

Hanah – 1876 Father – Mississippi Mother – Mississippi, had her at 31 years of age

Eliza/Elize – 1883 Father – Mississippi Mother – Mississippi, had her at 38 years of age

Ras – 1884 Father – Mississippi Mother – Mississippi, had her at 37 years of age

Maggie – 1887 Father – Mississippi Mother – Mississippi, had her at 42 years of age

Octavia/Octavey – 1891 Father – Mississippi Mother – Mississippi, had her at 56 years of age

 

1920 Census – 1851 (69) (John Womack 1850 at the age of 70)

Father – North Carolina

Mother – Mississippi

Married to John Womack/widowed by now (John Womack died in 1924)

The only child that was left in the home is Octavia. Though the 1910 Census is missing, the age difference is by 1 year, she should be around 29 years of age. By now Octavia Womack Roland is married to John H. Roland (b 1880 Father – Texas Mother – Texas) and two children are shown to live in the house that is listed as Nellie’s (Montague Womack) grandsons. Wilbert Womack b 1901 and Nathan Roland b 1912. Nellie’s death certificate shows that she was born in 1854 and died in 1939, which made her 85 years of age. I did not see any slave schedules for Nellie.

Nellie died in 1939.

 

 

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Interesting!

In search of David Payne/Pain - Clue#3

 

As you all saw, I had a hard time finding my Grandfather David Payne/Pain because of the spelling. Though he seemed to be missing at some part of the search I found a lot during my search. I knew before finding his parents that he was married to my Grandmother Maggie Womack of Marshall, Texas and that they had two children together.

 

1900 Census - 18 years of age

 

 

 

1910 Census - 28 years of age

 

married to Maggie Womack

one child, Virgie Belle Payne - age 4

 

 

He was drafted February 1918, married to Maggie Womack Payne

 

 

1920 Census - 40 years of age

 

married to Maggie Womack

two children, Virgie Belle Payne - age 13/ Myrtle Payne - age 5

 

 

Though there was not a death certificate or a social security of death (even with name variations), he had to have passed on between the 1920 Census and the 1930 Census. Only Maggie Womack Payne - widowed and Myrtle Payne - daughter were listed on the 1930 Census.

 

 

 

 

 Though I don't have a picture of my Grandfather I learned from the 'registration card' that he was a medium built man, black eyes and black hair. His Mother Ellen Evans Payne/Pain was very short. Perhaps his build and height came from his Father, Nelson Payne/Pain. I can only imagine.

 

 



In search of David Payne/Pain - Clue#2

I was surfing the Internet and came across this site with the core of the "Paynes" and though I had a blast clicking and reading I did not find anything today. I will continue researching and reading this site on my spare time. If you are a "Payne", please click the link below to see what you may discover.

 

Payne

 

 

 

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In search of Bernard Wilson - Permer Bernard Payne

 



Note to self - it reminds me that I am waiting on a reply and other things...

I am searching for my uncle Permer Bernard Payne - b. Bernard Wilson about 1938. I have search up and down for him using the different name variations including the cities he had lived in (Fort Worth, Texas and Longview, Texas as far as I know). Since he has seemed to have fallen of he face of he earth between 1940 and 1968 when he married Irma J. S. in the Tarrant County area. From looking at the City Directories that ancestry.com provided on their site, he seemed to have moved from Longview to Fort Worth, Texas.

 

 

Letter to the Dallas National Cemetery

 

 

As I mentioned he was b. Bernard Wilson. I searched for "Bernard Wilson" in Longview, Texas and Marshall, Texas. So, at this point I am not sure if "Payne" was given to him by Great Grandmother, Maggie Womack Payne because the 1940 Census show that he resided with her or if he was my Grandmother's biological child by a different Father.

 

 

According to the family and where he was buried it is believed that he served time in the military (searched by "permer bernard payne"). I can not find any record of that other than the place in which he was buried. Only those that served in the military is buried there.

 

 

Pictures that were copied from the findagrave.com website.

 

 

Unfortunately, I can not contact his last wife, Dorothy Robinson (Payne) of Fort Worth, Texas. She passed on in 2009. I attempted searching for children and to was unsuccessful. The things my Auntie shared with me were some of the same things that was noted on ancestry.com. It was well appreciated because I never would have put the two names together (Wilson/Payne). I have always thought it was 'Payne' growing as a child. 

 

 

Another stumbling block, but only for know. Persistence surely pays off.

 

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In search of David Payne/Pain - Clue#1

Okay! ...I am kind of excited right about now!! More then you can ever imagine. I love finding pieces of my history. My Mother was born Brendel Lewis the daughter of Carey Lewis and Myrtle Payne, Marshall, Texas. Myrtle Womack (Payne) married David Payne. David Payne is the son of...get this, Nelson Payne and Ellen Evans Payne of Marshall, Texas.

She is mentioned in this book, Slave Narrative:

Freedom of Slavery, purchase on eBook

I learned that their first slave owner was E.B. Clark, a former Governor of Marshall, Texas.

They later were slaves of William F. Evans, and when you read the 'slave narrative' Ellen mentioned that her name was "Ellen Evans during slavery and now it is Ellen Payne".

Is she a doll?!

My Great Grandmother Mrs. Ellen Evans Payne

 

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In serach of John Womack - Clue#6

I have been searching high and low for my Great, Great Grandfather, John Womack of Marshall, Texas. I had to stop and think...and my thought were to read up on Marshall, Texas some more. I read that "Marshall's history begin when the area that is now Marshall received it's first settlers in 1839", which would have made my Great, Great Grandfather, John Womack 45 years of age if he was born in "1835". Uhhm!!, I thought. Then I remember someone else telling me about the variations of spelling. I was surfing the internet and came across this:

"Methodology - <click this link for more information

I made heavy use of my subscriptions to Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com. Mostly, I used the census indexes as Ancestry.com, and looked at the images at Genealogy.com. Occasionally, an image was unreadable on one site or the other, so I compared the images on both sites.
Ancestry.com has both Soundex searches and wildcard searches. A wildcard is an asterisk used to represent zero to many possible letters. In general, I searched each state as follows:

1. Wom* wildcard search (in other words, every name that begins with letters "Wom")
2. Wam* wildcard search
3. Worm* wildcard search
4. Warm* wildcard search
5. Womack soundex seach
6. Wormack soundex search

This found most of the Womacks, but not all. I also looked at Womacks found by other researchers at WGN, particularly the list of indexes by Roger Womack and Sam Womack. The Ancestry.com indexes are based upon the Advanced Indexing Systems (AIS) Census Index books, which I know from experience are full of mistakes. The indexes at Ancestry.com are missing the entire county of Rankin, Mississippi, for example.


The Womack surname and its variations can easily be confused with other surname, including Warnock, Warnick, Winnick, Warman, Warmoth, Wilmoth, Warrick, Warwick. I some instances, I decided that persons indexed with these surnames were actually Womacks. In a few other instances, I saw that persons indexed as Womacks were actually some other surname - see They Were Not Really Womacks, Part II - Indexing Mistakes. When in doubt, I usually included the persons with a note as to the other interpretation of the name. See my Notes for names I skipped by state and county.


For those interested in the technical side, I entered this data into a Microsoft Excel 97 spreadsheet. I then wrote a simple C++ program (I am a computer programmer) to pull the data from the spreadsheet, sort it and do some simple processing, and write it to a XML format which I created. I then used an XSL stylesheet to transform the XML into an HTML file. I try to use pretty sparse HTML, preferring to put most of the presentation into a cascading style sheet (CSS). "


I mentioned before that research does not come over night...here's why


1880 - Census for John Womack

• age 35
• date of birth - abt 1845
• birthplace - Georgia
• home - Precint 3, Harrison, Texas
• black
• married - Nellie Womack (Montague)
• father's birthplace - Georgia
• mother's birthplace - Georgia
• in the home during the Census -

Hanah Womack (Hubbard)
Levi Womack
Henry Womack
James Womack

1900 - Census for John Womack

• age 65
• date of birth - March 1835
• birthplace - Mississippi
• home - Marshall, Ward 2, Harrison, Texas
• black
• married - Nellie Womack (Montague)
• father's birthplace - Mississippi
• mother's birthplace - Mississippi
• in the home during the Census- 

Hanah Womack (Hubbard)
Eliza Womack (Walton)
Ras Womack
Maggie Womack ( Payne)
Octavia Womack (Roland)


I was unable to find the 1910 Census, I will keep searching by tweaking the search information as much as possible. I did find a 1914 City Directory, Marshall, Texas listed as John (Nellie) Womack - Frog Town and he was a driller. This tells me that he was living in Marshall, Texas and that he was still married to Nellie Womack (Montague).


1920 - Census for John Womack

• age 70
• date of birth - abt 1850
• birthplace - Mississippi
• home - Marshall, Harrison, Texas
• black
• married - Nellie Womack (Montague)
• father's birthplace - Mississippi
• mother's birthplace - North Carolina
• in the home during the Census -

Octavia Womack (Roland)
John H. Roland
Wilbert Womack
Nathan Roland


I am still waiting on the Marshall Public Library to reply.

 

 

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In serach of John Womack - Clue#5

Digging and digging some more...

 

 

I am very excited! Not the excited as if I have not ever had anything in life, but the kind of excitement that opens more and more doors to who my ancestors are. Interesting.

 

 

So, as I was digging I came across this document called "Selected U.S. Federal Census Non Population Schedules 1850 - 1880" and found one that was attached to my Great, Great Grandfather, John Womack.

 

 

I guess I am understanding this correctly, John Womack worked for/with Frank Montague, his father-in-law, It shows that Frank Montague was the owner - Production of Agriculture. Cool!

 

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Historical Plaques in Marshall, Texas - United States

Historical Plaques in Marshall, Texas

 

 

Reading things of this nature can spark your interest. Your never know what you can find. My origin was from Marshall, Texas.

Research?

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In search of John Womack - Clue#4

I am still waiting on the library to reply about John Womack, my Great, Great Grandfather. I search as far as I could on ancestry.com and other available sites and here is what I found:

 

The only thing I found before the 1900 Census was the he had other children. According to my Auntie Blondie "she can remember calling him Uncle John" which confused us both.

 

 

Hannah (Hubbard) - 1872

Levi - 1875

James - 1879

Eliza - 1883

Henry - 1886

Ras - 1888

Octavia (Roland) - 1898

Maggie (Payne) - 1896, my Great Grandmother

 

I learned that he had to have been in Texas by 1872, because Census show that is first child (?) Hannah/Hanah was born in Texas. I notice on all of the Census I reviewed shows that he was born in Georgia and then Mississippi. My question to the Marshall, Texas Public Library (300 South Alamo Blvd. Marshall, Texas 75670) is where he was possibly from. If I don't get a reply from the Marshall Public Library or if it is not the answer I was looking for I will then write the Washington D.C. National Archives though they have some of the same information. I have written them before and they have done a search and come up with a little more for just a small copy fee.

 

b 1835

married - Nellie Montague

lived in - Marshall, Harrison County

d 1924 at the age of 85

 

 

 

 

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In search of John Womack - #3Clue/LFR


As I mentioned early on I am redoing my family tree for readers to see the process of searching for family members. I came to a dead end with my Great, Great Grandfather John Womack of Marshall, Texas so I emailed the Marshall, Texas Public Library for a helping hand in my search. There was not ever a reply to the email, so I wrote a letter to mail (attaching the email). I will also call on Wednesday, to confirm the receipt of the letter. Dead ends should not stop your researching. Though, it is not good to research more then one to three people because it can (for me) become over whelming and confusing. It can also cause you to miss something during the search.


Letter forwarded to the Marshall, Texas Public Library at 300 South Alamo Boulevard Marshall, Texas 75670



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